some will argue we need for deficit reduction purposes. we need to load the about that outcome is spending on health care, so this is an important deficit reduction policy. but i would ask you, is the right of this group of people, 65- and 66-year olds, bearing the very large costs. is this the group you think should be bearing huge parts? i would argue this is not a particularly fair shared version of this group of people to be sharing 10% of their income in addition to growing health care cost. it's really not something that they can there. so for us this is a pretty simple equation. it doesn't make sense as a matter of health policy. it raises costs. it doesn't lower than. it increases the number of uninsured. it increases premiums for everybody else who remains in medicare because you have now taken younger people and healthier people out of medicare. .. >> i think we got that point. thank you, david. our final presentation is from paul dennett who is the senior vice president for health care reform in the american benefits counsel. am